Thought I'd make a follow up 2 months later to RK's post. We had a drink and then without RK due to suspicious circumstances did it again. John was good at driving too.

So now for the Christmas plan:
I don't know where this fits with important dates but the aim is for the 2nd Thursday of the Christmas holidays, staying at Snaeths house in Manchester, now I've told a couple of people who live near by and they are keen to enjoy James' hospitality so it needs to happen.